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be NO Ww ws Oo OY ~] oO Ke) a oO he be No (ee) = Hs Oo _ OY a ~] a oO a Ke} 20 21 22 23 24 25 Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 743 _ Filed 08/10/22 Page 84 of 247 212 LBUCmax3 Visoski - cross Q. So from your perspective, you had no reason to believe that Ghislaine would have known which passengers were on the flights that she didn't fly on herself? A. Correct. Q. I want to talk to you about a few specific flights. think you mentioned in your testimony a place called Interlochen; is that right? A. Yes. Os Interlochen is, I think you recall, an arts center; is that right? A. Yes, correct. \@) It hosts an arts camp in the summer for musicians and singers and actors and other types of artists; is that right? A. That's correct. Q. And generally, in this summer camp, these artists, musicians, and singers are in high school; is that right? ae I didn't know where they I knew it was just an upcoming school for talented, I guess, children, because I would take it they're more on the younger side than older. Q. Understood. Are you aware that Epstein himself attended the Interlochen Summer Arts Camp when he was a young man? aes I did not. 1O Interlochen is located in Michigan? A. Correct. Q. And to get to Interlochen, you said you had to fly into SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00011856