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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 743 Filed 08/10/22 Page 149 of 247 277 LBUVMAX4 Visoski - cross 1 training together. 2 Q. And do you remember how long that training lasted on those 3 trips? 4 A. That class, it was typically, I believe, four days; two 5 days of ground school, and two or three days of flight. It 6 could be four to five days, if memory serves. 7 Q. And those training sessions that you're referring to in 8 Dallas, you said, took place every year you recall, right? 9 A. Every year is a requirement for us as pilots. 10 Q. Do you remember when in the year those took place? 11 A. Ido not. I remember it being warm, not extremely cold, so 12 [ would have to do the summer months; but, you know, the dates 13 escape me without any documentation of when we took the 14 COUrSes.» 15 Q. Okay. You guys had fun on those trips, right? 16 A. The training was hard, but we tried to make the best of it. 17 Q. I mean, you occasionally went out to a steak dinner while 18 you were there together? 19 A. Yes, we did. 20 Q. Those were fun events, right? 2l A. Yes. 22 Q. Now, once Ghislaine had her pilot's license, her helicopter 23 pilot's license -- 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. -- she flew Epstein's helicopter; is that right? SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00011921