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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 755 Filed 08/10/22 Page 104 of 262 1809 LC8VMAX4 Rodgers - direct 1 Mexico? 2 A. That would have been 1993. 3 Q. And about when do you remember starting to fly to St. 4 Thomas? 5 A. Probably around 1998. 6 Q. I'd like to focus again on the period between 1994 and 7 2004. During that period, how did you learn about an upcoming 8 Flight for one of Mr. Epstein's planes? 9 A. It would be one of several ways. It could be Jeffrey 10 Epstein himself could tell us before we left the plane that 11 we're leaving in two days or two hours or whatever we're doing. 12 It could also be from his secretary. There were times that 13 Ghislaine Maxwell might tell us about when the flight was. 14 Q. Who was Ghislaine Maxwell? 15 A. She worked for Jeffrey Epstein. 16 Q. Based on your observations and time working with her, what 17 were her job responsibilities? 18 A. She had a lot of responsibilities. She was a property 19 manager pretty much for all of his homes that he had, an office 20 manager. She would hire -- or she would interview prospective 2l employees and she would hire employees. She would be -—- she 22 would do a lot of purchases for the homes, for the apartments, 23 for the airplanes also, soft goods that you would need in those 24 places. 25 Q. Among Mr. Epstein's employees, where in the hierarchy did SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR- 00013382