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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 763 Filed 08/10/22 Page 107 of 197 2648 LCHCmax3 Dubin —- direct 1 mean the flight records that are in evidence? 2 MS. MOE: That's not correct, your Honor. The 3 entirety of the flight records in evidence are not public. 4 That's the exact reason why portions of them are under seal and 5 redacted. So we're not talking about the same flight records. 6 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, I disagree, but the point is, we 7 had a live witness who reviewed what purported to be in the 8 media her travel with Mr. Epstein. That media exposure has 9 influenced other people and I believe, frankly, influenced 10 other people, relative to my client, putting my client on 11 flights saying my client did things. It is the exposure to 12 this information. This witness, I believe, will testify, and 13 has so indicated to the government, that what she viewed was 14 inaccurate information. That's the import of it. 15 THE COURT: So the theory is media defined broadly, 16 could be a blog, a tweet, contains any inaccurate information, 17 it is relevant to ask this witness as to the accuracy of that? 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: It is inaccurate as to her personally. 19 THE COURT: [ understand. But let's say you pull from 20 some blog post, something perhaps inaccurate; relevant to ask 21 this witness? 22 MR. PAGLIUCA: About her and flight records. 23 THE COURT: Whatever it is from whatever source, there 24 is flight records that show she went to the moon, you should 25 ask her about it? SOU THERN D STR CT RE PORT BRS, Pes (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00014213