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be NO Ww ws Oo OY ~] oO Ke) a oO he be No (ee) = Hs Oo _ OY a ~] a oO a Ke} 20 21 22 23 24 25 Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 765 ‘Filed 08/10/22 Page 66 of 95 2804 LCIAMAX2ps were lots of women there and, you know, there are many -- no one --— no one observed women that they thought were under ag But it's not -—- I don't believe there is going to be an argument, Ms. Maxwell is not guilty because she couldn't have known that these I think the argument four people were whatever age they ar is going to be, they weren't that age. That's what I think the defense's position is here, your Honor, not, you know, gee, teenagers on me here Mr. Epstein slipped in a couple of MR. ROHRBACH: Your Honor, unless the defense is stipulating that Ms. and it's an open issue. The defense has elici Maxwell knew the ages of these victims, ted from Larry Visoski, Kimberly Espinosa, the appearance of the victims. They elicited from Carolyn that she was told not to tell -- or told to tell people at she was younger than t the house that she was 17 or 18, when that. So the evidence that's been elicited certainly puts the defendant's knowledge of the victims' age at issue. THE COURT: first question, what Yes. There are two issues. There's the age were they. And you contest that. But concludes that they were under the age of 17, question of Ms. Maxwell's knowledge, then there's the second question of, let's assume the jury then there is the and that seems to me to have been put in issue through argument and -- through openings and questions asked on cross. SOUTH (212) 805-0300 BERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P. DOJ-OGR-00014370