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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 767 _ Filed 08/10/22 Page 107 of 257 2941 LCKCmax5 Summation - Ms. Menninger 1 specific memory of the first time with Ghislaine until she got 2 up on the stand and told you one. 3 So the government kept asking her, was Ghislaine ever 4 in the room when it happened. I asked her, how many times, and 5 she said I don't know -- I'm sorry. The government asked her 6 how many times, and she said I don't know. Was it once, no. 7 Was it twice, no. How many times, I don't know, but more than 8 twice. That's th vidence they want you to convict Ghislaine 9 Maxwell on? I don't know? I don't remember? 10 She also told you the thing that happened more 11 frequently was being in these group sexualized massages, and 12 because that involves other witnesses, you have a right to 13 evidence about this. She said that this group sex massages — 14 she called them orgies — happened frequently, and that Epstein 15 would just summon people up to a room and they would all follow 16 him up there. And she said she was a 14-year-old girl when 17 these orgies were going on in his house, and she wasn't sure 18 how often Ghislaine was ever present for these orgies, but she 19 gave other names. 20 Apparently none of these other women thought it was 21 unusual that a 14-year-old was in an orgy with them and they 22 didn't call the police or report it, but naturally, being the 23 FBI when they got names of these other women, they ran right 24 out to try to corroborate those stories and be like, hey, 25 sounds like maybe you were in a group orgy with a 14-year-old SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00014507