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= No Go wd on OY ~] (ee) Ke) a © ha = No (ee) = ws On a OY a ~] a co a Ke) 20 21 22 ae 24 ae Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 782 Filed 01/15/25 Page 40of158 40 LBAGma x2 Rocchio - Direct you assume everything a victim reports is true? A. No, I do not. Q. Can you explain? A. So ina clinical setting, it is not my role to determine whether something is or is not true. Of course, when someone is telling me something, I'm using my skill and experience to take that information in and also to inquire, as I communicate to that individual and provide treatment. But as I mentioned earlier, I don't go out and try to see, well, this person is having trauma related to a motor vehicle accident or a shooting on the job, I don't go and ask them to provide me with newspaper articles to verify whether that event happened. Q. How do the grooming that you have seen in your forensic practice compare to what you have seen in your clinical practice? A. There's remarkable consistency in what I see in my work over time in my forensic practice, my clinical practice and what I have been trained and what's in the literature. Q. Can you describe at a high level the scientific literature upon which your opinions on grooming are based? A. So there have been a number of studies over time that have looked at the tactics, modus operandi, skill, manipulative techniques that have been used by perpetrators. And those studies have been published in peer-review journals. So there are studies that have done interviews with offenders, who have SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00014916