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be NO Ww ws Oo OY ~] oO Ke) a oO he be No (ee) = Hs Oo _ OY a ~] a oO a Ke} 20 21 22 23 24 25 Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 761 Filed 08/10/22 Page 75 of 246 2370 LCGVMAX3 Espinosa —- direct with each other? A. Sure. Q. And when you first started in your job in 1996, what was your impression of the relationship between Epstein and Ghislaine? A. I thought they were a couple. Q. And what gave you that impression? A. Just their interaction together. They were a little flirty; and I just knew they were a couple, behaved like a couple. Q. Did their romantic relationship change at all during the time you worked for Epstein? A. Yes. Q. How so? A. They just kind of went their separate ways. Seems like Ghislaine moved on. I know that she started dating -- MS. POMERANTZ: Objection. Foundation. THE COURT: Sustained. Q. What, if anything, did you observe at the time that indicated to you that the romantic relationship was changing? A. Ghislaine started dating. Q. Dating other men? A. Yes, other men. Q. Okay. Anything else? A. Well, they would not show up at the office around the same SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00016558