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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 761 Filed 08/10/22 Page 74 of 246 2369 LCGVMAX3 Espinosa —- direct 1 BY MR. EVERDELL: 2 Q. Now, you mentioned that Jane and Jane's mother and Jane's 3 brothers used the apartments; is that right? 4 A. Yes. 5) Q. Were they regular users of the apartments or did they use 6 it every -- how many times did they use it? 7 A. They were regular for a duration of time, and then it was 8 come and go, specifically for the brothers and the mother. 9 Q. About when do you recall Jane and Jane's mother and 10 brothers using the apartments in New York? 11 A. It was right around when I had met her. Again, I don't 12 recall the date, but I know that it was towards the beginning 13 of my -- beginning to middle of my term there. 14 Q. All right. So if the beginning of your term was the end of 15 1996 —- 16 A. Right. 17 Q. --- what, roughly, years are we talking about here, if you 18 can estimate? 19 A. Maybe late '90s, early 2000. 20 Q. Okay. The best of your recollection? 2l A. Yeah. 22 Q. All right. Let's discuss your observations of the 23 relationship between Epstein and Ghislaine. 24 As part of working in the office with Ghislaine, were 25 you able to observe Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine interacting SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, wG ws (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00016557