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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 755 Filed 08/10/22 Page 47 of 262 1752 LC8VMAX2 Shawn - direct 1 Q. Did Carolyn tell you that woman's name? 2 A. Maxwell. 3 Q. Did Carolyn say anything about that woman's first name? 4 A. She couldn't pronounce it. 5) Q. Why? 6 A. She wasn't able -—- she didn't have the reading ability or 7 she couldn't -- it was foreign to her; she didn't know it. 8 Q. Do you know how far Carolyn went in school? 9 A. She dropped out before I met her, so probably middle 10 school. Sixth grade, seventh grade. 11 Q. When Carolyn was 14 years old and going to Jeffrey 12 Epstein's house, could you describe her level of intelligence 13 and education? 14 A. She was a child. Yes, ma'am. 15 THE COURT: Shawn, could you move the mic a little 16 more directly in front of you, please. Thank you. 17 THE WITNESS: Sorry. I mumble. 18 THE COURT: Just speak up. Go ahead. 19 BY MS. COMEY: 20 Q. Did you and Carolyn ever talk about Maxwell? al A. No. 22 Q. Did you ever meet Maxwell? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Other than money, what, if any, gifts do you remember 25 seeing Carolyn receive around the time she was going to Jeffrey SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00018909