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Case 22-1426, Document ON 304 3536039, Page140 of 217 25 Me6eSQmaxl THE COURT: It's not dated November 2004; am I right? It's on a page that has dates surrounding it of December, November. S. MOE: Yes, your Honor, all of the dates surrounding the message would be after November 1, 2004. The neighboring dates are November 13. There's a date in December. And I think looking at the message pads as a whole, it tells us they're dated essentially sequentially. THE COURT: Is there any way to tell -—- again, this is very technical -- if it's October and November? MS. MOE: Your Honor, I'd be happy to take a look at physical book. I just have the sheet in front of me to see the page before and after, if the Court would like to examine it. Our view is the combination of the message itself and the neighboring dates tell us it's November of 2004. In addition, as we noted in our brief, the defendant was still traveling with Epstein during this exact same time period. Again, it's the defendant's burden to establish withdrawal from an ongoing conspiracy, which they've not attempted to do, nor could they. We think that the message pads, the flight records, the fact that the testimony of a crime victim Carolyn was that the conspiracy was ongoing more than meets this burden. THE COURT: Okay. MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, if I could just respond to that. I do pick up on what the Court is saying, and we agree SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.eee (212) 805-0300 DOJ-OGR-00021570