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Page 9 Corporate Gifts. And I had also been working for my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was -- in 1990 I was working with a -- a new company of his, a new -- a new newspaper that he was launching, called The European. And I was in charge of launching a magazine to go with the -- The European. And traveling a that time from England to America, because my father was looking to -- well, he'd also bought McMillan the -- the publishing house. And he had purchased the New York Daily News. And it's truth that my father always wanted me to come back, full time and work for him, but that's a much longer story I don't think we need to go into at this time. So -- but I was always working wit There was no escaping it were -- as it were work for him. So in 1990, I had come over to New York, to help look at some of that. He was having some advertising issues with the New York Daily News. And in fact, I met -- I may have met Donald Trump at that time, because my father was friendly with him and liked him very much. And I think, should be said MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022401