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Page 16 had a connection with Epstein. He had a connection with the bank. I mean, Epstein, I'd never heard of him or knew of him before. And I certainly -- if my dad had known him, right, when I said, this is who he was, he didn't now who he was. TO] BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he rang Jimmy, to ask if it was okay that I even knew him. And I just want to explain, briefly why my father would even do such a thing. I've had some -- some interesting things that have happened in my life. And one of them was to be found on an IRA kidnap and murder list. And so after that happened -- well, there were other related -- I'm not going to bore you with all the horrible things in that vein, but I -- if you want the details, of course I can. But after that happened, my father wanted to put a lot of protection on me, obviously. And declined on the grounds that that would be a very ife-restricting event. You are all in law forcement, I know you understand this. And so he had told me that, you know, would be taking my life in my own hands and then whatever. And so I think after that event and MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022408