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Page came to any of us, at any time, ever. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so when you are talking about your life with Mr. Epstein in the "90s, you -- you're -- you're not -- you -- you're very different financially. You -- you're very different financially positioned than he is -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. TODD BLANCHE: -- meaning he's giving you money, he's paying for your -- when you fly, he -- assume pays for your flights. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Okay. So you -- interrupted you when you were saying how you functioning as a general manager. You helped the New Mexico ranch. So did -- did your role with him continue like that for many years or for how long? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I continued -- in 2000 -- well, in -- by 1999, our relationship had foundered. In -- TODD BLANCHE: Why? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- well, two reasons: We were never sleeping together again. So we stopped having sexual relations in 1999. No full sex. Sorry, just to be clear. Didn't mean that we MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022422