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say you realized ki f it was over? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I mean, talking about the -- the -- I had had, there was a -- had wanted to get married and have children. And Epstein had encouraged me to believe that that would -- I don't know about the -- certainly by the mid late '90s, I knew the marriage part was never going to happen. I had believed tha maybe in '96, '97, '98 maybe, but then I realized it wasn't that. But I did think that we might have a child, which is what I had really wanted. And realized -- TODD BLANCHE: So -- so -- okay. So what happens between 2001 and then 2019 with your relationship with him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: SO 7-7 TODD BLANCHE: Give or take, 2001. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So we stopped having physicality. I mean, that doesn't mean we weren't friends. I certainly did stay, sometimes, in his room. I mean, friends with benefits, if you will, just not sex. Sorry. And I started dating. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I someone that MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022424