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Page 33 fell very much in love with in 2003. His name was Ted Waitt. Ted Waitt, you may know as the founder of Gateway, the computers. And we had an amazing relationship that ended in -- went on until 2010, think. And I was with Ted from that time. TODD BLANCHE: Did you meet him through Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, indirectly, suppose you could say so. No, they'd never met. was at a dinner where I met Ted, but it wasn't -- was with President Clinton. President Clinton was my friend, not Epstein's friend. And Epstein had flown him and there was a dinner and Ted came to the dinner. So I guess, indirectly, through Mr. Epstein, because it was with his plane, but I'd have been there anyway without him. I had -- was not the -- DAVID MARKUS: Was Epstein on the plane when you guys flew? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: On that trip, Well, yes. They -- that, yes. TODD BLANCHE: So when you say the -- dinner was -- was where? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Hong Kong. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And so the -- and MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022425