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Page 44 lost to time. But anyway, at some point I think his mother had died now. I can't remember ¢t timing of all of that either. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I ended up in Palm Beach and he had asked me to come and look at the swatches or whatever he was doing, because they had laid it all out over the house and various things, and I think he'd asked for my opinion. That's my memory of this. It may also be that Ted and I were going to Palm Beach, because Ted had a golf match or something. There was a reason I was in Palm Beach. It wasn't solely -- I don't -- maybe that's not true either. I don't know. So TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- there's a, you know, sometimes I went to Palm Beach because Ted was there. I don't know if that's part of that time -- TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead -- go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- or Ted went there Ft me. I don't know, something. Anyway, I was there. No. That's not how that went either. No. Anyway, at some point in that time, I saw all the swatches, at some point in 2005, MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022436