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Page 50 you would've had to find someone who was trilingual to -- and that he trusted -- TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not from him. TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- so when he gets out of jail, between t time 2009 or '10, and 2019, what's your relationship like with -- with Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Almost nonexistent. TODD BLANCHE: Why? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I I had just moved on and I just didn't want to have anything to -- didn't want the drama. I didn't want to be associated with TODD BLANCHE: So do you recall -- when you say "almost non-existent," does that mean -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It doesn't mean it -- TODD BLANCHE: was it some phone calls, some visits -- GH : I definitely. some trips, or what does it mean? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: don't think there were any trips. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022442