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Page stunned when I was arrested. But maybe stunned is too big a word, but surprised. I certainly was. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So let's -- okay. So that's -- that's -- was a long description of of what was a very long life and that was very helpful. So I want to go back and talk more specifically now about particular areas, and, but that was a -- a very helpful kind of foundation for -- for us. The first -- the first thing I want talk about, you talked about earlier on, about Mr. Epstein's financial success. What -- you know, do you know how he -- when you first meet him, at some point you say, "I got this place for you to rent, you can't afford it." And he laughs at you and says, "Yes. I can." What did you learn about his wealth and how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he TODD BLANCHI! GHISLAINE MAXWELL: so I I know that he was hired from working at a private school whose name eludes me at this point. LEAH SAFFIAN: Dalton. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022446