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Yes. you learned? Yes. This is what he TODD BLANC GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- himself. TODD BLANCHE: And so -- and then eventually he starts a |} nceial firm? Do you know that to be true or no? J. Epstein & Company. You ever heard of that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think it's, yeah. Yes. So hang on a minute. So I -- this I did not know, but this I have subsequently learned -- TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- is that he had some problem or some issue at Bear Stearns and there was some, I don't know, disagreement. He wasn't fired, because obviously he was still very friendly with Ace and with Jimmy, at least by the time I met him, but they were working with him and he ran -- he had cli- -- money at Bear Stearns, and -- TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- his money, his client's money. We'll -- I'll come to that. But he started -- he told me himself that MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022448