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Page 60 wasn't responsible for any of the client's money or anything like that. So it's separate. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah. I understand. GHISLAINE ELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. GHISLAINE ELL: So with Les, for tance, it was really all encompassing. It could from the structure of the business. So he would -- he tructured or restructured The Limited. know that, and I'll come back to that because I also traveled with him and Les, and I was in business meetings with them on the plane when they were there. So I could observe and I could hear some of this. And whilst I'm not necessarily terribly business sophisticated, I'm sophisticated enough to be able to at least have some knowledge of what was happening. All right. So then he restructured the business. He restructured his entire personal finances, and would also handle all of the investment strategy. I don't know if it was -- if it was a hundred percent TODD BLANCHE: Mr. Wexner is what you're saying? MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022452