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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: sorry. Yes. this is all Wexner I'm talking about now. So let's say you had a billion dollars to invest. So you would, you know, in people's normal investment portfolios, you would have, you know, some T-bonds and this and that, but Epstein's strategies would be much more sophisticated than that. TODD BLANCHE: And so just staying with Wexner. Does -- from what you heard or saw, is Epstein paid by him in percentages? Like so -- so there would be a deal and he would be paid or was -- did you understand it to be like a flat Was he a business partner? Like how did you understand him to be paid? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think it was more ? la carte. So let's say this is a conversation actually -- Epstein told me. So all -- illustrated for me, said if I saved someone $5 billion, he would take a flat percentage of that $5 billion. He wouldn't have $5 billion back, and he would take -- TODD BLANCHE: When you say you think , is that because you heard him talking about t or you -- you GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It would be a combination of both. He certainly told me that and MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022453