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heard him talk to people like that. sorry. TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. GHISLAINE ELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was there -- did -- did he give -- did Mr. Wexner gift a property in New York to Mr. J] tein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So we're talking about Jist Street. So I don't know what the business deal was, because, again, I'm not part of his business thing, but I think what happened would be that, let's say Les owed him in, theoretically, for his services, $100 million or whatever it was. He could have traded that against the property. TODD BLANCHE: But do you know that that happened or that's -- are you -- are you kind of -- do you remember whether there was conversations about t or are you just thinking that could be one way t it happened? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not sure. And I'm trying to be -- I just don't remember if that's something I know or if that's something that remember, or if it's something that I subsequently know. I believe -- I believe that to be what happened, but I don't want to tell you that MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022454