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Page 63 TODD |] E: Yeah. GHISLA : ELL: Does that make sense? TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they -- of their falling out that they ultimately had? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think -- I wasn't there and I don't know how it happened. I only know what Les has said in the press. TODD BLANCHE: So you only know about their, you know, their falling out or whatever you want to call it, from what you've kind of read, not from any firsthand knowledge? You did -- you weren't there, you weren't part of that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know somebody named Steven Hoffenberg? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Only from the press. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And so you don't know anything about whatever business relationship they may have had, Mr. Epstein -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never spoke abou never mentioned it. I I only learned about whatever that is, even -- I don't even know what truth is of that story, from the press. TODD BLANCHE: How about Leon Black? MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022455