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Page 75 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been widely reported, is that -- that he would cause young women in high school to be recruited to come to his house and give him massages. And a part of -- and the -- and the -- and as part of that, he would sexually abuse them, okay? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: So I want to talk about that. But as it rela to blackmail, the question is whether you're aware of any time, that any of the individuals we're talking about, and we'll talk about others, received massages from women who were under 18 or may have been under 18. And that whether there was any sexual assaults or sexual contact between any of these people and those masseuses, which would've allowed then, Mr. Epstein, potentially, to blackmail them and say, "You have to continue to work with me or you have to give me money, or else I'm going to tell the world that -- that -- that you did this." GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. this is a really good place to start story began. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022467