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Page 80 because John Alessi, the butler was fired in the end 2002 and he was the thief. TODD BLANCHE: So aside from law forcement installing a camera, try to catch somebody stealing money from Mr. Epstein, you're aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. You're -- just so we record it because GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- TODD BLANCHE: No. That's okay. You were nodding your head no. So what about -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No cameras anywhere, outside of, possibly, things that would -- I would consider -- myself, I would consider normal. So the garage gate, something like that, a front door. TODD BLANCHE: Outside, like security cameras? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Security cameras. TODD BLANCHE: No. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And there were cameras inside in the 7list Street that did the plant, the physical plant, because it was a commercial building. So you had the whole -- that's a real thing there. It's a commercial building. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022472