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Page 86 talking in the '90s, I don't think he was there. -- there's that description. I think that this, what you were talking about is a later version. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- GHISLAINE ELL: Does that TODD BLANCHE: No. I underst do want to tal GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So it's just think you need to separate the periods of TODD BLANCHE: sure. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- because it -- this -- one of the things that was definitely missing in my trial, and definitely missing from the narrative, is this notion, this, everything happened and he was always but -- no. I don't -- IT don't believe that to be true. BLANCHE: So I mean, that -- fine. And I do want to talk about I'm not pushing that away. I'm aside for a moment. Mr. Epstein did and -- and, frankly, what -- what you did, or are accused of doing, is one thing that I -- that we'll talk about, but what -- right now what I want to understand is -- is whether one of the ways that Mr. Epstein befriended his MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022478