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DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients themselves? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let's -- again, I want to stay -- and -- and coming back now to what you were talking about a moment ago with Mr. Epstein's kind of progression or -- or -- or getting worse. So just staying within the '90s. What role -- what did -- what role did you have or what did you observe -- which are two different issues, but both important -- with respect to recruiting masseuses to come to either, I guess, Palm Beach or to travel, or eventually New Mexico. What role did you have in that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked me to masseuses for him. TODD BLANCHE: t again. GHISLAINE MAXW! : He asked me if find him masseuses. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Like, as part of like you said, you were his general manager. As part of all your -- your duties, that was one of them? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I did do that. SO first person I believe that I introduced him to MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022482