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Page And that -- and then everyone who came subsequent to or simultaneously, if she wasn't the first, I don't know. Everyone -- every single person who came to his house, came through ema and her boyfriend, Tony, and then whoever else underneath her. And that is how it started. TODD BLANCHE: So before her -- LEAH SAFFIAN: Tony Figueroa. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Tony Figueroa is her TODD BLANCHE: Before her -- so now going back in the '90s. You don't believe that Mr. Epstein was abusing masseuses? DAVID MARKUS: Underage? TODD BLANCHE: Or over age? I mean, think -- well, I'm using abuse in the broadest sense of word, because I'm assuming that you -- you -- you -- you -- you -- you said that you have no idea of the year -- you-- you always assumed the masseuses were over age, right? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. TODD BLANCHE: So when I'm talking about abuse, I'm even talking about an adult masseuse who comes in to give a massage and is told to take of their clothes, told they're not going to get paid if MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022489