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Page 98 they don't take off their clothes. Basically suggested they had to watch him masturbate. Like the things that have been publicly said about what he did. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- TODD BLANCHE: For now I'm not distinguishing adults or -- or -- or young or underage women for that. I'm saying abuse. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm -- I'm going think that that would've been a habit. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm going to say the massage game was a habit. And I think -- DAVID MARKUS: What does that mean? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That means that sure that he didn't suddenly start having relati with masseuses in 2002. DAVID MARKUS: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I am sure he must have had relations with masseuses, who knows when. TODD BLANCHE: But you're saying, as far used the word abuse. You're saying far as you sit here today, you would describe t more as consensual? Meaning the masseuse did those -- did this willingly? MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022490