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Page 104 traveled. There was that, you know, the plane, they went on the plane 26 times or whatever. That would be one journey. So they spent time on the plane together, and I don't believe there was ever a massage on the plane. So that would've been the only time that think that President Clinton could hav ven received a massage. And he didn't, because I was there. TODD BLANCHE: And you mentioned that early -- in the very beginning of the conversation, you mentioned President Trump in the early '90s. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: What -- what's -- what did you observe, as far as President Trump, and his relationship with you or Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I just want to say for my relationship with President Trump -- relationship's a big word -- but I just want to say that I met him or I believe I may have, because of my father in the '90s. TODD BLANCHE: Yep. Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So my father liked him very much, and he was loved -- really liked his wife as well, because we were both Czechoslovakian. And as far as I'm concerned, President MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022496