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Page 108 think you saw, in person, President Trump? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Um, it was -- it's -- it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in the -- beginning -- mid -- mid 2000s maybe. And it would only have been a social setting, as far as recall. TODD BLANCHE: And did you ever hear Mr. Epstein or anybody say that President Trump had done anything inappropriate with masseuses or with anybody in your world? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely never, in any context. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether masseuses from Mar-a-Lago's spa ended up giving massages to -- private massages to Mr. Epstein? I'm not asking for what you may have read, but from -- at the time, from your personal knowledge, do you know whether that's true? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I I don't -- don't recall. Is it possible? . But I don't remember -- I don't remember that. So I don't want to -- I don't recall that, but it's possible. TODD BLANCHE: Do you have a recollection of you ever recruiting a masseuse from Mar-a-Lago spa to give -- to go give a private massage to MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022500