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Page 111 who would be brought on board to have an opinion as to how to -- I don't want to use the word “improve the island," because I don't think you could improve it, but to -- I can't think what the word would be. -- what's the word I'm looking for? To develop it. Sorry. That's the word. BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the island. That's the word I'm looking for. So -- so there were trips, constant trips with that in mind. And I would say now if we are moving to the late '90s, '96, '97 I definitely witnessed a progression in Mr. Epstein's behavior, and a modification, if you will. Where in the past, in the early '90s, don't remember traveling so much with other people. There would be a masseuse or a yoga person, but now he started to travel with more, always a masseuse. Whereas in the past it wasn't always a masseuse or always an instructor. There was now starting to be always an individual or a friend or whatever. There's always a, like, maybe the word would be entourage, but these were always people in their 20s, late 20s, early 30s in my -- as my memory sees it, as I -- as 1 observe that time. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022503