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Page 112 And he tasked me with finding a local masseuse for him in St. Thomas, because sometimes, even though I say he would always travel with an entourage, sometimes he didn't, and he wanted to have a massage locally. So I visited the mass- -- the spas that were local in St. Thomas and in St. John. And if met someone, a man or a woman, actually, because it was difficult to find somebody in St. Thomas, it's not exactly, you know. So, and I did find a couple of people who would come. So that's how they came, because also it was a schlep. So if you had somebody who came, it would be -- you would have to, you know, boat ride and you -- several hours. It wasn't just a -- it's not like arriving with your massage table and stuf So there was that. So I did do that. TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, don't think -- at the beginning, definitely. And would say towards sort of, again, late '90s, I don't remember any men. They were at the beginning, think in that -- towards the late '90s, I cannot think of any men. I only think of women. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022504