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Page 116 progression or change, let's focus on that time period, so the more towards the late '90s. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The testosterone. BLANCHE: "96, '97, '98, you know, toward -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. TODD BLANCHE: when you've said that he changed. Did you know flat out that he was having sex or otherwise some sort of sexual conduct with masseuses regularly? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Flat out? No, denied that. I couldn't imagine that he would but think looking back now, that -- I did not. But started to suspect that he was not faithf ludicrous but that's what I thought. TODD BLANCHE: But if -- look, if -- if lying from Palm Beach to -- to St. Thomas or if lying all over the country to New Mexico or to New York, or even in Palm Beach and there's young women, putting aside whether they're under the age of 18 or in their 20s, every day at the house, multiple masseuses —-- multiple massages on some days, you're interacting with the masseuses constantly. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Huh? MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022508