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Page 159 anything to do with Ted, because it was a bit awkward between us and I -- so he took all the part of the ocean that was close to land, so within 200 miles. And so I decided I would focus on all the part of the ocean that was outside of national borders, TerraMar. And that's how that -- that's the genesis of TerraMar. Okay. TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think af broke up with Ted, so 2010, '11 is when it start And then I ran it all the way up until whenever the Epstein drama struck and then I just shut it down. Not -- I shut it down because I didn't want what was happening to hurt any -- the Smithsonian or Nat Geo or the -- I just couldn't let everything be hurt by what was happening to me. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know Jean-Luc Brunel? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: How do you know him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met him -- so when -- I told you I was working for the European, for my dad -- BLANCHI] MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022551