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Page 160 was in BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. And I was running a magazine. One of the things in the magazine is fashion. And so I was going to some fashion shows and I was looking for fashion sponsorship. And in fact, when I came to America, one of the first sponsors that I got for it was Ron Perelman at Revlon, who was great. And I met Jean-Luc through just in Paris like that. But socially not TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Epstein know him as well? Did you later learn whether they knew each other? GHISLAINE WELL: I'm not sure don't -- he would've -- Epstein had his own fashion situation, so he would've -- I don't -- he didn't meet Jean-Luc through me. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever observe them together over the years? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. Yeah, saw them many times together. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- did he visit the MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022552