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Page 164 TODD BLANCHE: We're repeat -- we're now being a little repetitive, but you're confident that before you met Mr. Epstein, he didn't know your father, and so there's no -- he wouldn't have done business with your father's companies in the '80s either. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. hundred percent sure of that. I never met him. never saw him. I never heard his name. No. Nothing. TODD BLANCHE: So there's been a lot of conversations about whether Mr. Epstein maintained, like, a list of people, like a book of famous people that he knew. Like a, it's called a black book or a client list or a list. Did you know of the existence of GHISLAINE MAXWELL: There is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis of that story, can actually trace for you from its absolute inception, if that is what you're interested in. TODD BLANCHE: t is. DAVID MARKUS: Well, first, you know, be short, there is no list, there's no client list. Nothing like that. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022556