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Page 176 Rothstein Adler's firm, I also have some documents where Rothstein -- his original scheme, Rothstein Adler, was to place prostitutes. He had a bar, a dance bar where he had girls. And I believe he would use them and put them as fake secretaries in people's offices, and then she might touch him or he might touch her or something, and boom, he got $25,000 that. And those girls --now, I'm not saying that those are the girls that came in Epstein's case necessarily, but the -- TODD BLANCHE: So -- but again, let's -- like, so we're separating th vidence that came in at your trial and what you just talked about with Brad Edwards and Mr. Rodriguez. During the time that you were with Mr. Epstein, and even in the 2000s when you were around less frequently, you never observed or you never saw any sort of list or black book or a list of individuals who, you know, linked to certain masseuses or —-- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. TODD BLANCHE: -- anything like that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. There is no list. There is no -- I'm not aware of any MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022568