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Page 182 his -- I don't know if he was chief o sta or whoever, Boris. And I met him, I think, once. have met him actually at Vist Street. I may have once. I don't remember if I met him there or ata restaurant, I don't remember. And that would've been because of Epstein, because Epstein was friendly with Boris and Boris -- that's all I remember. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane any of his houses? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that friendship was after, you know, it was in the lat 2000s. So if I met him -- like I said, I went to Epstein's house maybe once or twice. Maybe I met there. I don't remember. TODD BLANCHE: So you don't -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I wouldn't know if he had been on Epstein's plane. TODD BLANCHE: And you weren't -- you don't recall ever being on the plane with him to the island or to anywhere? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know somebody named fiman? GH MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022574