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relationship; close, friendly? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? TODD BLANCHE: Yes. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but friendly enough. I mean, you know. TODD BLANCHE: How was Jeffrey Epstein's relationship with his brother Mark from what you observed? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, they were brotherly, but I think that -- I don't know. IT don't know. They had periods when they were closer and then when they weren't. I think sometimes Epstein found his brother irritating. TODD BLANCHE: And I think I know the answers, given what you just said about Bill Barr, but did you ever hear any -- from Mr. Epstein or anybody else -- that Bill Barr had any role in Mr. Epstein getting a good plea deal in Florida, or any role in that process with Mr. Acosta? G SLAINE MAXWELL: I never heard that. TODD BLANCHE: think you said this in an interview, bu I'm wrong forgive me. Do you have a view of Mr. Epstein of whether he committed suicide or whether something else happened? DAVID MARKUS: Can we take a break? MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022585