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Page 197 ELL: Yes. Did she -- ELL: I didn't know she was a gymnast. TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. I'm reading something that says she was a gymnast, but please don't assume that that's correct. This is based upon my words. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: Did she ever travel with you and/or Mr. Epstei GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think, yeah, she did actually. I think that she might have been one of Mr. Epstein's girlfriends at some point. TODD BLANCHE: What -- again, I know we're talking about time periods that are vast. What time period would that have been? Like after you -- like since 2000? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say -- don't know, it could be the '90s -- could be the "90s, I don't know. But I mean, listen, there are people that pop out of the woodwork all the time. just saw one on TV saying she was his girlfriend in "93 and '94, So I mean, he obviously was very busy. EAH SAFFIAN: Or she's lying. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022589