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Page 198 ELL: Or there's that. Did - someone named Mark Middleton -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, I remember him. TODD BLANCHE: Who was that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He was in the -- Mr. Clinton's administration -- President Clinton's administration, I thi TODD BLANCHE: And how do you -- do you know him? GHISLAINE BLL: Well, I met him and met him 1 ugh Mr. Epstein. TODD BLANCHE: And do you -- was he, what you observed, was he a friend or business acquaintance of Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I only saw him a handful of times, but I did see him with him. mean, he seemed friendly. I don't know if I would characterize -- I mean, only having seen him briefly, don't know how to characterize that. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he like flew on airplanes with Mr. Epstein? Did he visit the island? Do you know anything about that or their relationship as it relates to tha GHISLAINE MAXWELL: MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022590