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Page in a pub in Dublin. TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with Epstein, that you know? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't know if I don't know if he ever was ever on the plane. I don't know if he ever -- I don't think he ever came to the island. But, I went to places with Andr?s Pastrana. One was to Colombia and Epstein came to that, and the other was to Cuba and Epstein and Andr?s Pastrana was -- I think was there. TODD BLANCHE: And what were the purposes traveling to Colombia, then Cuba? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I am a helicopter pilot and Andr?s is a helicopter pilot. And we just became friends and I flew a Blackhawk in Colombia. TODD BLANCHE: And how about to Cuba? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My -- I have a friend of mine who was the cigar distributor for Montecristo maybe, I can't remember which cigar it was. And so we went there, and he organized the trip and we met Fidel Castro. TODD BLANCHE: When was that, approximately? GHISLA ; ELL: Had to be -- it had to be 2002, 2003. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022593