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Page 207 think that is just part of the story that's been created that started back in 2008, '09. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah, I mean, that's the point. Like, I don't want -- I don't think there's value in talking -- you know, there's been a lot of there's a lot o information about what happened, you know, at the MCC and -- but what is importan to me is whether, you know, if -- is the idea he didn't die by suicide, that's one thing. But if to the extent that folks believe that he was murdered to keep him quiet or because he had information on rich and powerful people, that's what -- do you have any reason to believe that that's true? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any reason to believe that. And I also think it's ludicrous, because if that -- I also happen to think that is what they wanted, they would've had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't in jail. And if they were worried about blackmail or anything from him, he would've been a very easy target. TODD BLANCHE: n the time -- so we've talked about a lot of time, all the way up through 2009, '10, and then your -- the time that after Mr. Epstein was arrested, when's the last time you MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022599