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AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE Page 10 that he also very much liked Ivana, because she was also from Czechoslovakia where my dad was from. So I don't -- I don't remember if I did meet him or not in 1990 with my dad, but I knew that that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you met -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met Mr. Epstein. TODD BLANCHE: -- Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All night. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I was already going backwards and forwards in America. And then in April of 1991, I came to New York, but, I can't remember for what reason -- what business reason, but there was a business reason -- something to do with my dad at that time. And a girlfriend of mine who -- an American, told me I -- I -- I had broken up with my long -- I'd been engaged, getting my -- the very long-term boyfriend and we'd broken up. And she said, I've got -- you know, as your girlfriends do, I've got a guy for you to meet. And I was like, who is it? And she goes, it’s -- Page ll he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment for a girl to, like, think about important things. And sure, I'd be happy to meet him. And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in 1991, I met him at his offices in -- on Madison Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how we met. TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his office for you to meet him just personally or were you -- were you there for -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just -- TODD BLANCHE: -- work related reasons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I -- I knew nothing about him. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- he just invited me to come and have tea, and I was like tea, that's English. Okay. But what was unusual, was in his offices. So I went to his offices and we met. And I found him very engaging and that was that. MAGNA®© on TIMA OB WN TE PRPRPRPRPRPRP REE ODMDAAUOBWNHE OL DAAINDOFWNHRF DWM WAT A OB WN HE NO + Oo Wo Page 12 TODD BLANCHE: So -- okay. So that's how you meet him. So we -- and again, I don't want to spend a lot of time, you know, on -- on this particular issue, but what happened with your relationship over the years, from the time you meet him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away? DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. So I -- I was looking for real estate for my dad to buy some, and Epstein told me that he was also looking to move from his apartment and would I help him? And I -- I said, sure I'm looking already so I could look for him. So that’s how it started. And then, in 1991, my father passed away and I returned to New York after that, originally to come back and help with the family businesses, which was McMillan. And then the debacle of my father's passing hit the family. And -- and we lost all our businesses and my family thought that it would be best if I stayed in America, because of the intensity of the press and the drama surrounding my father's death in England So I stayed and Epstein said, well, you can keep helping me. You can help me find a house and Page 13 we can decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic relationship with him at this point or just friends? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just -- with respect to your father, there have been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency. Do you have any knowledge about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think -- well certainly my father had a background in intelligence during -- because he was -- I believe he did in the second World War. He was an intelli- -- a British intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you're kind of -- always; 1t doesn't mean that you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in any formal sense was, you know, employed by the -- any agency. But when you are a very significant businessman and politician, as my father was, you meet with people over time and you, I guess trade business or ideas. I think if -- if that would fall under that definition, that's how I would give it. 4 (Pages 10 to 13) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022659