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AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE Page 14 Now he certainly, I have no formal knowledge of anything specifically that he did in that thing, but if you're asking me if I thought that he did help people, the answer would be yes, I did. TODD BLANCHE: Did your father and Mr. Epstein have a business relationship over the years? I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- TODD BLANCHE: As far as you know, they never even met? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I -- I-- TODD BLANCHE: -- or you know they never met? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I know they never met. TODD BLANCHE: Well, how do you know they never met? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They -- just categorically know they never met. Well, because after, in 1991, before my father died, he asked me if I'd met anybody interesting or whatever, you know, because I was still trying not to be sucked back into the family business. And I told him that I had met Mr. Epstein. And the reason why I shared that I'd met Mr. Epstein, because I believed, at that time, that Epstein worked Page 15 for Bear Stearns. And Bear Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew that my father was friendly with both Jimmy Cayne and with Ace Greenberg. So my dad came -- was actually in New York, I think. If I] remem- -- I may -- I don't think I had this conversation on the phone, but I -- I honestly we're talking 30 years ago, so I'm not sure. But if I -- I maybe I told him this verbatim, because it happened -- I know that what my dad did, whether I saw it or whether I -- he did it and told me later I -- that I don't remember. But he called both Jimmy Cayne and Ace Greenberg to ask if -- what sort of guy he was and was he even allowed to -- because (indiscernible) sO.. TODD BLANCHE: So they never -- they never met. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't even know who he was. TODD BLANCHE: But they had -- they -- they knew some of the same people, it sounds like, or certainly the Bear Stearns connection was something that -- that you -- that you knew that they had. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, he never MAGNA®© AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE N+ Oo © onan OB WN TE PPR PB BwWNE Ow Page 16 had a connection with Epstein. He had a connection with the bank. I mean, Epstein, I'd never heard of him or knew of him before. And I certainly -- if my dad had known him, right, when I said, this is who he was, he didn't know who he was. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he rang Jimmy, to ask if it was okay that I even knew him. And I just want to explain, briefly why my father would even do such a thing. I've had some -- some interesting things that have happened in my life. And one of them was to be found on an IRA kidnap and murder list. And so after that happened -- well, there were other related -- I'm not going to bore you with all the horrible things in that vein, but I -- if you want the details, of course I can. But after that happened, my father wanted to put a lot of protection on me, obviously. And I declined on the grounds that that would be a very life-restricting event. You are all in law enforcement, I know you understand this. And so he had told me that, you know, I would be taking my life in my own hands and then whatever. And so I think after that event and Page 17 several others, where I had stalkers and all that thing that one has, he was always quite protective of me. And so if I met somebody, he would try and verify that they weren't going to do anything hideous. And so in case he thought it was weird, that he would call Jimmy and -- and Ace -- it might -- you know, you may think it is but in my -- from my perspective, he was just -- because he was concerned, I was in America alone and he had an opportunity to verify who this person was. And so I don't know if I was in the room with him, I don't recall. But I know that at some point my father told me he's fine. You can see him. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He's safe. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, okay. TODD BLANCHE: So we might come back and touch a little bit more on that at some point, but -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. TODD BLANCHE: -- I went down a rabbit hole for a minute. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's all right. I just wanted to -- 5 (Pages 14 to 17) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022660