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DANO FWNHRF OCW OA KDAOBWDNE Page 18 TODD BLANCHE: No, that's helpful. Thank you. So -- okay. So you're -- you're now in the '90s and you're friends with Mr. Epstein. Your house -- decorating the house or the apartment. What -- what happens with your relationship? Again, I know we're talking about a 35-year time period or whatever, but to the extent you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just full disclosure is the best way to go at this point. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in 1992, I slept with him one time and I was like, whoa, that's it. We're going to be dating, because that's how I thought. And -- and I kind of thought of myself in that moment. Like, because you, I felt if you slept with someone, that you were then dating them. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's the world I came from. But that really was -- well, that's how I thought. And -- but we didn't sleep together again for, I don't know, really a significant period of time. And when I say -- TODD BLANCHE: Like years or? Page 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if it was a year. I don't -- it feels that feels long, but maybe nine months, I mean, a long time. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I just want to go back to -- I had found a house for him to rent in New York, because he had asked me -- I had been looking at one for my father, and I found one, which was a former Iranian embassy, I think it was. I think it belonged to the Iranians, or the Iraqis or someone. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I didn't know that he had any money. It was like, I want to say it was $12,000 a month, which to me seemed like a fortune. And I said to myself, I found this house, but I don't think you can afford it. He was like, that’s ridiculous. Of course I can afford, and he rented it. And that house came with -- it was a State Department house, because it was -- I think that was under sequestration or whatever it was. And I -- I put it back together, but there were certain rules, you couldn't paint, because it had to go back and he gave it back to the country MAGNA®© ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB orn or WN EE Ne] 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 20 then. So he had this house and I had moved into a 10 foot by 10 foot apartment, because all of our stuff had been either lost or frozen or -- or whatever. So he became, in this moment, my life line, really, because I was -- everything was --felt very similar to this moment, if that makes sense. Anyway, so but I had no key to his house. I had no free access to his house. And in the entire time that he lived there, which was I believe until, the beginning of 1996, I never slept a single night in that house. Never ever. Not one. TODD BLANCHE: But you -- so you -- you -- you said a minute ago that the -- that you had slept with him on one occasion, and at the time you remember thinking, you know, that this meant you were in arelationship, but then it didn't -- you really were not in that type of relationship. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I thought -- TODD BLANCHE: Did that change over -- between '91 and '92 or whatever and -- and -- and years forward? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I did travel with him a lot. Page 21 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I would go to his houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house actually in -- no, that's not true. He had the house in Palm Beach and he had a house in Ohio. TODD BLANCHE: In where? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Ohio. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And he had the house in Ohio because of his business relationship with Mr. Wexner. And he had a -- and I had to go and decorate and put that house together. When we traveled together, we stayed in the same bed, but not in -- but I didn't -- TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. It's okay, talk. So you -- you stayed -- so when you would travel with him to his houses in Palm Beach, Ohio, or even just traveling, if -- if -- if it was just traveling with him, you would stay in the same bed. So sleep in the same bed with him. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Epstein told me that he had a heart condition. DAVID MARKUS: A what? 6 (Pages 18 to 21) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022661