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on TIAN OAs WN Ee Page 22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition. Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which meant that he didn't have intercourse a lot, which suited me fine, because I actually do have a medical condition, which precludes me having a lot of intercourse. TODD BLANCHE: So what -- what was your understanding of his heart condition and why that prevented him from having intercourse regularly? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know. I mean, he liked other forms of sexual activities. TODD BLANCHE: Well, let's come back. We're going to obviously spend some time -- a lot of time on the actual conduct he was accused of. So we'll -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: -- we'll -- we'll come back to that. So pick up where you -- where you were talking about you traveling around with him, he rented the New York, former Iranian House -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Iranian, there you go. Yeah. TODD BLANCHE: -- until around '96. At that time, you -- I believe you said that he was Page 23 basically your life, like you were with him pretty regularly. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- no. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I never was with him regularly. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That is one of those misnomers. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, at the beginning I did see more of him, but I worked in his office. So I would go to the office and I would see him, and I would count in my head when I would see him. I would count that I would -- that would be a day that I would see him. But I didn't -- I never, ever stayed with him. I believe certainly until '93 or '94, what I didn't know was that I think he was still with his actual girlfriend who was Eva Andersson, who became Eva Dubin. They had been together, my understanding, I think about 10 years. I'm not sure, but that's what I think, 10 years. And I had understood from my girlfriend initially, that they weren't together and Epstein MAGNA®© ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB Orx~AInN OP WHF DWM WDAAIHD OB WN FP NO ND | rFOoO’Wo Ke} Page 24 himself had told me that they were not together. But I don't -- I don't think that was true. In fact, I know it's not true. So they were still together, up until, I think '94, when at some point, in that period of time, Eva met Glenn Dubin and they got married, I think in '94. I don't remember when they got married, but her, she was his best friend and his everything, he told me that he always wished that he had married her and had a child with her. And I know that they -- she was family for him for his whole life. And I think even -- I'm not sure this is true, but you guys will know if this is true or not. When he came from -- back from Paris and you arrested him, I don't know if Eva was on the plane. Now, I think that either I read it in the -- in the discovery that I received, or I saw it somewhere. But even if she wasn't on the plane, there must have been some email communication where she was in Paris at the same time and going to fly back. One or the other, I don't know which one is the correct version of that. But so they were still obviously very close and remained throughout Page 25 the time. In fact, he -- he was-- still saw her a lot. And so I also know now, which I didn't know at the time, was that he saw lots of other women. And I know that now, because I can see -- I can see it from the flight logs and I know it now because I can see from the emails. TODD BLANCHE: So, you know from the case -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, not from -- TODD BLANCHE: -- that what happened. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, I didn't know -- TODD BLANCHE: You didn't know that along the way. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I contemporaneously, I absolutely did not know. TODD BLANCHE: So, okay -- so just -- and we're going to spend time on everything you're talking about, but just to kind of close out the big picture of your relationship. So we're now in the late '90s, continue on with, again, staying high level to the extent you can, about your relationship with him. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So after -- so my responsibilities increased with each acquisition that 7 (Pages 22 to 25) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022662