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on TIMA OB WN TE Page 26 he had and each new project. So I believe the first thing that he purchased after was the ranch in New Mexico. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had tasked me with up until that, and I think that was purchased in '94, if I'm right. So he had tasked me, one of the things that we did was visit, in my mind, I say every state, but it wouldn't have been every state, but many states, to go look at real estate property. And so I know we went to Montana. I know we went to Utah and it was -- it was to go look at real estate. It was fun, to be honest. And then I arranged for us to go to New Mexico and he just loved New Mexico. And then I don't remember how the ranch happened. I don't remember that now, it's lost. And then he ended up buying the ranch. And I think, if I'm right, it came from -- well, the Kings who may have been the governor, I -- you know, bought the ranch. And then I had to deal with that. Dealing with that was the extent of it. The way that I thought of myself, or the way that I think is the best way to explain how I Page 27 view my role, was as a general manager. Because each property, to me was like a -- a hotel. So the ranch was very challenging, because not only that, but it had BLM land, so to help maintain your BLM, you have to have cattle and I love animals. And so the first thing, horses. And so I wanted it, if you're going to have a ranch, I like authenticity. And so I don't think you should have a ranch if you're not going to have the things that make it special. TODD BLANCHE: So were you -- were you paid by him along the way -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- TODD BLANCHE: -- during this time? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I became -- I became salaried at some point. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I -- my memory is that I got paid $25,000 a year to begin with. That's my memory. I may be wrong. And then with each -- as it became obvious, because I kept thinking I was going to go home; home being England. And -- but it -- TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- and financially, MAGNA®© OTN OF WN EE BRB NFO wo DAA ANHBWNHRF CDW WAIATBWN PB NN ND + NF OW Page 28 you were not relying on him, the -- the $25,000 or whatever amount you were paid, were you relying on that money to live and his generosity to live or did you have your own -- your own money. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there's a -- TODD BLANCHE: And again, I -- I want to just make sure we're talking about that. Like keeping it between like the late '90s, you know, maybe, I guess into a little of the 2000s. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I just want to hit something on the head right now. There's a tremendous amount of reporting that said that I had a LEAH SAFFIAN: A trust fund. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. A trust fund. I have never had a trust fund, at any time. DAVID MARKUS: So how did you live, did you live with -- with -- I mean, $25,000 is not enough to live on. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. So [had -- during this period of time, the secret -- secret, the Serious Fraud Squad had come to see me, in relation to my father's passing, and to establish whether I had been involved in any way with his business or with any shenanigans. Page 29 I think -- I've told this story many times, so I don't know if it's now somewhat apocryphal, but I'll tell you what it -- my memory is. So I received a letter from them that said about my business, and my memory may be apocryphal, there was a PS that said (unintelligible), I had nothing. There was no -- I was never involved in any of his business, whatever, so I was free. TODD BLANCHE: And were you -- so, but your -- you know, obviously your -- your father and your family had a lot of businesses. Did -- is it because the money, whatever money or whatever equity was in the businesses, just stayed with your other family members? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there was no money. So my father was never attached to money. He was born a peasant, a real one. Dirt floor, no shoes, no clothes -- some clothes, but not, you know, sorry, I don't mean to say -- nothing. And he never -- he was never into that. I mean, there were things that he had his extravagances, he loved his boat and his plane. So obviously you need money for that. But there was no, nothing else. And there was not a single penny that 8 (Pages 26 to 29) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022663